Copper-By-Design's Downspout Scuppers Photopage

<body background="../cw/im/OldScupper1.jpg" bgproperties="fixed" bgcolor="#8AC5FF" text="#000080" link="#0000FF" vlink="#006699" alink="#FFFF00"> <div align="center"> <center> <table border="10" width="750" bordercolorlight="#CA9F60" cellpadding="5" bordercolordark="#9A5B32" cellspacing="0"> <tr> <td width="300" bgcolor="#000000" valign="top" align="center"> <p align="center"><b><a target="_top" href="../fs/index.html"><img src="../tn/CBDlogo.jpg" start="fileopen" align="center" border="0" hspace="" vspace width="300" height="152"></a></b></p> </td> <td align="center" background="../rc/tn/clouds.jpg" bgcolor="#8AC5FF"> <p align="center"><b><font size="5"> </font></b><strong><em><font size="5">Downspout Scuppers Photo Page</font></em></strong></td> </tr> </table> </center> </div> <p align="center"><font color="#00FF00" size="3"><b>Updated 5-3-2007</b></font></p> <p align="center"> <b> <a href="../fs/cont.htm"> <img border="3" src="../tn/quote.jpg" width="350" height="67"></a></b></p> <p align="center"><b><font color="#800000" size="4">Here are a few of the custom rain scuppers we have fabricated over the years, to give you an idea of what we can offer you.  Click here for <a target="_top" href="../fs/cont.htm">Ordering info</a></font></b></p> <p align="center"><font size="5" color="#FFFF00"><b>Bookmarks:</b></font></p> <div align="center"> <table border="1" width="750" cellpadding="5" bgcolor="#CCFFFF" background="../rc/tn/clouds.jpg"> <tr> <td align="center"><b><font size="4">Ordering Details</font></b></td> <td align="center"><b><font size="4">Style & Size</font></b></td> <td align="center"><b><font size="4">Our Fabrication</font></b></td> </tr> <tr> <td align="center"><strong> <font face="Comic Sans MS" color="#800080" size="2"><a href="#Lead">Lead Time</a></font></strong></td> <td align="center"><strong> <a href="#Sizing"> <font size="2" face="Comic Sans MS">Sizing</font></a></strong></td> <td align="center"><strong> <font face="Comic Sans MS" color="#800080" size="2"> <a href="#metal">Why Copper Sheet-metal?</a></font></strong></td> </tr> <tr> <td align="center"><strong> <font face="Comic Sans MS" color="#800080" size="2"><a href="#Prices">Pricing</a></font></strong></td> <td align="center"><strong> <font face="Comic Sans MS" color="#FFFF00" size="2"> <a href="#Options">Options</a></font></strong></td> <td align="center"><strong> <font face="Comic Sans MS" color="#800080" size="2"><a href="#Thickness"> Copper Thickness?</a></font></strong></td> </tr> <tr> <td align="center"><strong> <font face="Comic Sans MS" size="2"><a href="#leaderheads">Cheaper Units</a></font></strong></td> <td align="center"><b><font face="Comic Sans MS" size="2"> <a href="#Scupper">Examples</a></font></b></td> <td align="center"><b><font face="Comic Sans MS" size="2"> <a target="_self" href="../cw/sf.htm">Detailed Scupper Fab #1</a></font></b></td> </tr> <tr> <td align="center"><strong> <font face="Comic Sans MS" color="#800080" size="2"><a href="#Minimum">Minimum Order</a></font></strong></td> <td align="center"><b><font face="Comic Sans MS" size="2"> <a href="#Simple">Simple Designs</a></font></b></td> <td align="center"><b><font face="Comic Sans MS" size="2"> <a target="_self" href="../cw/Stanchfield.htm">Detailed Scupper Fab #2</a></font></b></td> </tr> <tr> <td align="center"><strong> <font face="Comic Sans MS" color="#800080" size="2"><a href="#Discounts"> Volume Discounts</a></font></strong></td> <td align="center"><b><font face="Comic Sans MS" size="2"> <a href="#Built">Built-ins</a></font></b></td> <td align="center"><b><font size="2" face="Comic Sans MS"> <a href="http://dmr-gutters.com/ds.htm">Downspout Comparisons</a></font></b></td> </tr> <tr> <td align="center"><b><font face="Comic Sans MS" size="2"> <a target="_top" href="../ref.htm">References</a></font></b></td> <td align="center"><strong> <font face="Comic Sans MS" color="#800080" size="2"> <a href="#other">Other Shops Work</a></font></strong></td> <td align="center"><b><font size="2" face="Comic Sans MS"> <a href="http://dmr-gutters.com/opt.htm#catchers">Leaf-Catchers</a></font></b></td> </tr> </table> </div> <p align="center"> </p> <div align="center"> <center> <table border="10" width="750" cellspacing="4" cellpadding="10" bordercolorlight="#CA9F60" bordercolordark="#9A5B32" bgcolor="#A5DFFE" background="../cw/tn/clouds.jpg"> <tr> <td width="100%" bgcolor="#000080" colspan="2"> <p align="center"><u><b><font size="5" color="#00FF00">Introduction</font></b></u></td> </tr> <tr> <td valign="top" colspan="2"> <p align="justify"> <b> <a target="_self" href="../cw/sf.htm"> <img src="../cw/tn/scupper11.jpg" border="3" hspace="20" width="300" height="348" align="right"></a></b><strong><em style="font-style: normal">We have run a successful gutter replacement business since 1993 with the help of our web presence at <a href="http://dmr-gutters.com/fs/">http://dmr-gutters.com</a> , which explains our primary focus on custom rain management sheet metal products. We had found over the last few years that most of our clients for this sort of custom work are no local, so we built this alternative web site to specialize in these sort of orders. There are lots of sheet-metal shops who make simple generic sized 'V' shaped funnels</em> that will certainly do the job in many cases. We can make them as well, but we pride ourselves in being a custom shop with an artistic edge. We also have a strong focus on durability. Most any other scuppers will be made with just a thin sheet metal that will fail before long. We build a funnel liner in most of our scuppers to take the abuse of running water over the course of the following decades. This way the outer shell is not compromised, and the liner can be replace if needed without replacing the expensive outer shell.</strong></p> <p align="justify"><strong> <em style="font-style: normal">We are not the fastest for large orders, since we have no employees to speed up production. If we have a lot of orders currently booked there may be some delay getting to your order, so prepare to not have our custom work in your hands in under 2 weeks time. Because of this we prefer not bother with speedy credit card payment for swift order placement. We simply require half payment in advance mailed  to us in the form of a check. There is a link to our contact web page near the top and bottom of each web page for requesting a quote.</em></strong></td> </tr> <tr> <td valign="top"> <p align="justify"><em style="font-style: normal"><strong><u> <font size="4" color="#800080">Why are there so few custom fabricators?<br> </font></u></strong></em><strong> <em style="font-style: normal">It seems there are not a lot of talented sheet-metal fabricators promoting their work on the web, or who are willing to correspond through e-mail with photos and diagrams needed for small projects.  Then willing to box up and ship it off to you.  It is not uncommon for us needing to respond with a dozen e-mails or so to work out the details with a client. It takes a good deal of swift attention and time.</em></strong><p align="justify"> <em style="font-style: normal"><strong>L</strong></em><strong><em style="font-style: normal">ooking locally in the phone book for local sheet-metal shops can be taking a stab in the dark, since you cannot see what work they have done or get referrals. To do good custom work like this requires good geometry skills, imagination, and a high mechanical comprehension.  To work this out across these wires it takes good prompt friendly communication skills and discipline few seem to have.  Diagrams and digital photos have to be passed in order to work out crucial details, so this will work out just right.  Few are willing to invest that kind of personal time and effort to ask the right questions for small items, unless it was for a large development project.</em></strong></td> <td> <p align="center"><em style="font-style: normal"><strong>Here is an ornate copper scupper we removed</strong></em><b> for replacement in 2002</b></p> <p align="center"><em style="font-style: normal"><strong> <font color="#00FFCC"><a href="../cw/im/OldScupper1.jpg"> <img border="3" src="../cw/tn/OldScupper1.jpg" width="300" height="291" hspace="0"></a></font></strong></em></p> <p align="center"><b>It had holes worn through the walls of the thin copper it was made with and the solder had cracked open in several places, even though there were no signs of impact</b></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="100%" colspan="2"> <p align="justify"> <em style="font-style: normal"><strong><u><font size="4" color="#800080">What are our qualifications?<br> </font></u></strong></em><b>Of course what you see here on our web site is the best example of what we are capable of, but here is a little of our background:</b><p align="justify"> <b>David's Grandfather, (<font color="#000080"><a target="_top" href="http://mind-temple.com/dar/im/John.jpg">John William Rich</a></font>) was a brilliant inventor.  His Father, (<font color="#000080"><a target="_top" href="http://mind-temple.com/dar/im/Bill.jpg">William Dale Rich</a>) is a natural born mechanic, who runs a successful health products business through </font><font color="#000080" size="4"><a href="http://www.billrich.com/"> http://www.billrich.com</a>.  David's Mother, (<a target="_top" href="http://mind-temple.com/dar/im/Carolyn.jpg">Carolyn Ann Collins</a>), has enjoys many creative artistic endeavors.  David was tested in school to have an unusually high aptitude for math, spatial arrangement, and mechanical comprehension, if not the greatest scores in English.  At 17, he got his first professional contract to make a life-size <font color="#00FFCC"> <a href="http://mind-temple.com/art/art3.htm#Darth">Darth Vader</a></font> for the promotions of Empire Strikes Back (first release) with working LEDs in the belt units and a lit light saber.</font></b><p align="justify"> <b>Tia runs her own spiritual healing business as a Reiki Master and a trained Hypnotherapist through her web site: <a href="http://inner-serenity.org">http://inner-serenity.org</a> , but assists David when she can. She has demonstrated a talent in artistic design. We have designed and authored hundreds of web pages</b><em style="font-style: normal"><strong> you see here over the last decade.</strong></em></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="50%"> <p align="center"><strong><em style="font-style: normal"> <font color="#00FFCC"> <a href="../cw/im/SchowScupper2.jpg"> <img border="3" src="../cw/tn/SchowScupper2.jpg" hspace="0"></a></font></em></strong><font color="#800000"><em style="font-style: normal"><strong><br> A custom 4 sided corner scupper:</strong></em></font></td> <td width="50%"> <p align="center"> <strong><em style="font-style: normal"><font color="#00FFCC"> <a href="../cw/im/SchowScupper1.jpg"> <img border="3" src="../cw/tn/SchowScupper1.jpg" hspace="0"></a></font></em></strong><font color="#800000"><b><br> Back side looking down</b></font></p></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="100%" colspan="2"> <p align="justify"><em style="font-style: normal"><strong><u> <font size="4" color="#800080">Why we do this?<br> </font></u> It is true we can make more replacing gutters locally, w</strong></em><strong><em style="font-style: normal">e are not able to charge enough for all the time and effort, when we cannot even come close to competing with the common industrial 'V' shaped funnels sold or mass-produced items from China or India with slave labor.  We do love being creative and getting to know people from different parts of the world, if only in some small way. You are likely to find us quite friendly and even chatty with our clients.</em></strong><p align="center"><strong> <em style="font-style: normal"><font color="#00FFCC"> <a href="../cw/im/SchowScupper3.jpg"> <img border="3" src="../cw/tn/SchowScupper3.jpg" width="300" height="200" hspace="0"></a></font></em></strong><br> <font color="#800000"><em style="font-style: normal"><strong>Outer face</strong></em></font></p><p align="justify"> <strong><em style="font-style: normal">These scuppers may be something that can simply be mass-produced and stocked on a shelf waiting to be ordered, but it has been very rare we have been able to reuse a template of a scupper we made in the past, as clients have different size needs and desired looks they want. We do not stock any scupper, as we have not found one design that seems to be more popular than others. We encourage clients to be creative and tell us what they want to see in a more ornate scupper.</em></strong><p align="justify"> <strong> <em style="font-style: normal">We are careful to respond to each e-mail within 24 hours, but it may take over 8 hours of our time to get all the details worked out over several weeks, depending on how fast the client responds back with the info we need.  Then several more hours to design and fabricate a simple $200 scupper.  This has to be a work of passion, since it is not making us a lot of money.  We do a lot better financially installing gutters locally, and remain very active with that work still.</em></strong><p align="center"><strong><em style="font-style: normal"><font color="#00FFCC"> <a href="../cw/im/SchowScupper4.jpg"> <img border="3" src="../cw/tn/SchowScupper4.jpg" width="300" height="450" hspace="0"></a></font></em></strong><font color="#800000"><em style="font-style: normal"><strong><br> These scuppers were installed locally for<br> $250 each, plus the cost of the downspouts</strong></em></font></p> <p align="justify"><em style="font-style: normal"><strong> <font color="#800000">PS: </font>we recommend against these round downspouts for several reasons listed on our <a href="http://dmr-gutters.com/ds.htm#Round">Downspout Comparison</a> web page</strong></em></p></td> </tr> <tr> <td valign="top" colspan="2"> <p align="justify"> <em style="font-style: normal"><u><strong><font size="4" color="#800080"> What <a name="metal">metal</a> is best for these decorative rain-catchers?<br> </font></strong></u><strong><font color="#800000"><u>Silver:</u></font> would be great, but far too expensive of course, so we have not had any inquiries for a sterling silver custom sheet metal work, but I'm sure it could be done.</strong></em><p align="justify"> <em style="font-style: normal"><u><font color="#800000"><strong>Lead:</strong></font></u><strong> is a thick soft easy to work with metal that can be cut with just a pair of scissors and shaped with bare hands.  It can be custom shaped right on the roof peak without any special tools, so most building contractors like this option best. It is so heavy it does not even need to be nailed down to the roof.  It will last and seal up the roof just fine, but it does not leave much in the way of decorative options and is not very useful for this sort of application.</strong></em><p align="justify"> <em style="font-style: normal"><u><font color="#800000"><strong>Copper:</strong></font></u><strong> is clearly the best option here.  It is a metal that is meant to be seen.  It will tarnish within a few months to a satin dark brown.  It actually takes nearly half a century to turn that chalky green.  This dark earth-tone look makes copper a lot more appealing to most people.  It will also stay clean, since it will not mildew.  It will also retard the growth of moss on the roofing below it.</strong></em><p align="justify"> <em style="font-style: normal"><strong>The cost difference of cheaper metals is marginal with this sort of custom work, since it is typically only 10% of the cost for custom fabrication.  To help minimize cost; the standard in the industry is 12oz and 16oz copper. The thicker 20oz copper we only use for custom work is very good for archival quality to last for well over a century, unlike the old scupper shown above. It is sturdier, which is more dent resistant as well. </strong></em> <p align="justify"> <em style="font-style: normal"><strong>Copper also makes a great ridge cap for any roofing in areas that suffer from moss growth and would keep the top edge of the roof sealed better than the roofing shingles.</strong></em><p align="justify"> <em style="font-style: normal"><font color="#FF0000"><u><strong>Warning:</strong></u></font><strong> Other sheet-metal shops may say it is copper, but it usually is only a very thin sheet copper, or worse: only copper plated steel.  Solid copper will not attract a magnet, so it is easy to test for this, but it may be too late by the time to have it to test.  Copper thickness is different that steel gauges.  It goes by weight per square foot. If they say it is 24 gauge, that may mean it is only copper plated steel, and still very thin. The 20oz copper we use is about twice that thick.</strong></em><p align="justify"> <em style="font-style: normal"><u><font color="#800000"><strong>Stainless steel:</strong></font></u><strong> is a good strong metal that will last, but it remains that shinny mirror-like finish until it mildews.  Since it is about the same cost of copper, with out any anti-fungal properties, it is rarely requested, but strongly pushed by other sheet-metal shops for reasons listed below.</strong></em><p align="justify"> <em style="font-style: normal"><font color="#FF0000"><u><strong> Warning:</strong></u></font><strong> Other shops will push stainless steel like it was the best thing on Earth.  Especially for chimney caps.  That is because stainless steel is quick to fabricate, since it can be simply spot welded together.  They also do not need to worry about finger print oils making the metal surface tarnish irregularly.  You need to beware: they will talk about stainless steel, but actually substitute with galvanized steel to unsuspecting consumers, since that client will not see it start to rust for about a decade.  Well past most warranties.  Or parts of it will be galvanized steel like the screen or the bolts.  You can test this with a magnet. Good stainless steel will not attract a magnet.</strong></em><p align="justify"> <em style="font-style: normal"><strong><u><font color="#800000">Aluminum:</font></u> can be used, but it is normally painted to make it less brash looking than galvanized steel or stainless steel. It has a good baked on enamel finish, but that still only has a 20 year or so life span for that paint. It will still hold water for many decades later, but it would look poor.  It would probably cost more to have it stripped down and repainted than to have a new cap made.  It will also mildew in areas like the NW here.  So because of these issues; we do not have many clients even ask about this option.</strong></em><strong><p align="justify"> <em style="font-style: normal"><u><font color="#800000">Galvalum:</font></u> is better than galvanized steel, but again it is not worth the small savings difference of copper, so we do not even offer it as an option. </em> <p align="justify"> <em style="font-style: normal"> <u><font color="#800000">Steel:</font></u> is a cheap and strong metal, but it will rust through far too soon to be practical and cause rust stains below if not replace before this happens.  Besides, the savings to you is marginal, since most of the cost of custom work like this is the labor and shipping.  It would save you less than 10% off the cost of using the thicker 20oz copper we use, so we do not even offer it.</em></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"> <strong> <em style="font-style: normal"> <font size="4"><p align="justify"> </font><u><font size="4" color="#800080"> Delivery & installation?<br> </font></u> We would be happy to install the scuppers for you if you are fortunate to live local to the Portland Oregon Metro area, but we have been getting most of our orders from clients around the country through this Internet exposure.  If you are not close to us and you are not able to install it yourself, you will need to hire a local contractor to do the installation.  We work hard to design these scuppers to be strong, easy to install, re-installs easily for re-painting or other service required. We also provide a set of personalized installation instructions and all the needed rust-free hardware and fasteners to install our scuppers.<p align="justify"> Over the last few years we have been successfully shipping custom copper works in custom wood frame crates to clients from all corners of the continental USA and Canada. Through the fabrication process we will send you digital photos of the progress we've made over e-mail before shipping, and we welcome your feedback.</em></td> </tr> </table> </center> </div> <p align="center"><b><font color="#000000">.</font></b></p> <div align="center"> <table border="5" width="750" cellspacing="4" cellpadding="10" bgcolor="#A5DFFE" background="../cw/tn/clouds.jpg"> <tr> <td valign="top" colspan="2" align="center" bgcolor="#000080"><i><b> <font color="#00FFFF" size="4">A few Design <a name="Options">Options</a> and Cost Examples</font></b></i></td> </tr> <tr> <td valign="top" colspan="2"><p align="justify"><b>Diagram #1 was drawn-up for a client in Tampa Florida <font color="#800000">(2-04)</font>.  Our copper scuppers start at $200 with postage minimum charge for any order.  The ornate designs shown here w/funnel liner begin at $360 each, which covers 6 square feet of copper, or a rate of $60 per square foot. Then it goes down to $25 to $35 per square foot above the first 6 square feet per unit, depending on how intricate the design is.</b><p align="justify"> <b> Of course, we offer discounts for volume orders of the same size and design.  Ask us about volume discounts when writing to us concerning an order you would like to place.  This price can vary, depending on how many you need.</b></td> </tr> </center> <tr> <td valign="top" align="center"> <p align="center"><b><font size="4">diagram #1</font></b></p> <p><b><a href="../cw/im/ScupperDiagram1.jpg"> <font size="4"> <img src="../cw/tn/ScupperDiagram1.jpg" border="3" align="middle" hspace="10" width="300" height="336"></font></a></b></td> <td align="center"> <p align="center"><b><font size="4">diagram #2</font></b></p> <p><b><a href="../cw/im/ScupperDiagram2.jpg"> <font size="4"> <img src="../cw/tn/ScupperDiagram2.jpg" border="3" align="middle" hspace="10" width="300" height="336"></font></a></b></td> </tr> <tr> <td valign="top" colspan="2"><p align="justify"><b>Diagrams #2, #3, and #4 have a little more ornamentation added to center of their design.  If you have a different idea of how you would like it shaped and what size you need, feel free to write us an <a href="mailto:bid@dmrgutters.com?subject=Custom Scupper Fabrication">e-mail</a>, including any digital diagrams or photos that may show us what you have in mind, so that we can better quote you a price to get you just what you need.</b></td> </tr> <tr> <td align="center"> <p align="center"><b><font size="4">diagram #3</font></b></p> <p><b><a href="../cw/im/ScupperDiagram3.jpg"> <font size="4"> <img src="../cw/tn/ScupperDiagram3.jpg" border="3" align="middle" hspace="10" width="300" height="336"></font></a><font size="4"> </font></b> </td> <td align="center"> <p align="center"><b><font size="4">diagram #4</font></b></p> <p><b><a href="../cw/im/ScupperDiagram4.jpg"> <font size="4"> <img src="../cw/tn/ScupperDiagram4.jpg" border="3" align="middle" hspace="10" width="300" height="336"></font></a></b></td> </tr> </table> </div> <p align="center"><em><strong><font color="#000000">.</font></strong></em></p> <div align="center"> <table border="5" width="750" cellspacing="4" cellpadding="10" bgcolor="#A5DFFE" background="../cw/tn/clouds.jpg"> <tr> <td align="center" bgcolor="#462300"> <p align="center"><b><font size="4" color="#00FF00">Our <a name="First">First</a> Scuppers in White Painted Aluminum </font><font size="4" color="#FFFF00">(1996)</font></b></p> </td> </tr> <tr> <td width="100%"> <b><a href="../cw/im/scupper01.jpg"> <img src="../cw/tn/scupper01.jpg" border="3" align="left" hspace="10" width="243" height="300"></a></strong></b><p align="justify"> <b>This is a set of scupper we were contracted to recreate back in 1996 out of pre-painted aluminum.  They were for the outlets of the flat roof on an apartment building at 23rd N. E. Broadway in Portland Oregon.  We recreated this form from the original rusty steel scupper basins that were there on the building.  As you will see on this web page, we are able to fabricate most anything you can imagine, where the local suppliers do not carry anything ornate like these.  All they stock is a simple straight V shaped funnel with a squared off rim at the top.</b><p align="justify"><b>This scupper funnels into a standard 2"x 3" downspout.  It is about 14" across the top, and sticks out about 7" from the brick wall.  The lower rim is about 9.5" wide.</b><p align="justify"><b>We do not work much in aluminum any more when this sort of labor is involved, since copper would only add $10 to $20 to the cost, it seems silly to invest all that effort into an aluminum scuppers that would dent a lot easier and is prone to scratching and general paint failure. Copper has been the preferred choice of most clients, but that also means you will need to have copper downspouts as well, which increases the cost of your project a good deal.</b></td> </tr> </table> </div> <p align="center"><em style="font-style: normal"> <strong><font color="#000000">.</font></strong></em></p> <p align="center"><font color="#000000"><strong><em>Note: </em></strong></font><em><strong><font color="#800000">(remember that you can click on each picture shown to get a closer look)</font></strong></em></p> <p align="center"><b><font color="#800000">.</font></b></p> <div align="center"> <table border="5" width="750" cellspacing="4" cellpadding="10" bgcolor="#A5DFFE" background="../cw/tn/clouds.jpg"> <tr> <td align="center" bgcolor="#462300"> <p align="center"><font color="#00FF00" size="4"><b>A Larger <a name="Scupper">Scupper</a>; Design #2+ in 20oz Copper</b></font></p> </td> </tr> <tr> <td width="100%"> <p align="justify"> <b><a href="../cw/Stanchfield.htm"> <img src="../cw/tn/Stanchfield10.jpg" border="3" align="left" hspace="10" width="300" height="199"></a></b><strong>This Leader-head was created for MasterPlan Construction (6-05), a builder in the Hamptons of New York. It is a rather large scupper; at 39" wide x 18" deep and 22" tall.  The cost was $500 php. It took several e-mails to work out the details and pass diagrams back and forth, then 3 full days to build this and make the wood frame crate for safe travel. They got quite a bargain at that. We also added a copper 3"x 4" Leaf-catcher and all the rivets, stainless steel screws and mounting hardware for the 2 story 3"x 4" copper downspout. The crate with the Leaderhead and Leaf-catcher and hardware weighed just short of 70lb.</strong></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="100%"> <p align="justify"> <strong>You can click on the photos here to go to the design and fabrication web page for this leader-box where you will see many more photos of it's design and construction.</strong><p align="center"> <strong> <a href="../cw/Stanchfield.htm"> <img src="../cw/tn/Stanchfield33.jpg" border="3" hspace="20" width="300" height="210" vspace="30"><img src="../cw/tn/Stanchfield28.jpg" border="3" hspace="20" width="300" height="276"></a></td> </tr> </table> </div> <p align="center"><b><font color="#800000">.</font></b></p> <div align="center"> <center> <table border="5" width="750" cellspacing="4" cellpadding="10" bgcolor="#A5DFFE" background="../cw/tn/clouds.jpg"> <tr> <td valign="top" colspan="2" align="center" bgcolor="#462300"><i><b> <font color="#00FF00" size="4">A set of <a name="Built">Built</a>-in Scuppers for a Flat Roof</font></b></i></td> </tr> <tr> <td valign="top" colspan="2"><p align="justify"><b>These and some decorative fascia board covers were for a client in New Mexico (7-05).  We would up passing about 40 some odd e-mails and several diagrams back and fourth over the course of about two months to work out all the details of this order for his entry roof he was building.  This total for these two custom scuppers was $385</b></td> </tr> </center> <tr> <td valign="top" align="center"> <p align="center"><b>diagram #1</b></p> <p><b><a href="../cw/im/dynamicMetalFacia.jpg"> <img src="../cw/tn/dynamicMetalFacia.jpg" border="3" align="middle" hspace="0" width="300" height="167"></a></b></td> <td align="center"> <b><a href="../cw/im/Mitchell01.jpg"> <img src="../cw/tn/Mitchell01.jpg" border="3" align="middle" hspace="0" width="300" height="199"></a></b></td> </tr> <tr> <td valign="top" align="center"> <b><a href="../cw/im/Mitchell02.jpg"> <img src="../cw/tn/Mitchell02.jpg" border="3" align="middle" hspace="0" width="300" height="199"></a></b></td> <td align="center"> <b><a href="../cw/im/Mitchell03.jpg"> <img src="../cw/tn/Mitchell03.jpg" border="3" align="middle" hspace="0" width="300" height="199"></a></b></td> </tr> <tr> <td valign="top" colspan="2" height="84"><p align="justify"><b>The fascia board is made with 3/4" birch plywood covered with white painted aluminum.  It is made to be under 9' long to fit in the maximum crate size DHL will transport. The assemble needed to be 26.5' across the front and 9.5' along the sides of the entry roof.</b></td> </tr> <tr> <td align="center"> <b> <a href="../cw/im/Mitchell04.jpg"><img src="../cw/tn/Mitchell04.jpg" border="3" align="middle" hspace="0" width="300" height="199"></a></b></td> <td align="center"> <b><a href="../cw/im/Mitchell23.jpg"> <img src="../cw/tn/Mitchell23.jpg" border="3" align="middle" hspace="0"></a></b></td> </tr> </table> </div> <p align="center"><b>.</b></p> <div align="center"> <table border="5" width="750" cellspacing="4" cellpadding="10" bgcolor="#A5DFFE" background="../cw/tn/clouds.jpg"> <tr> <td align="center" bgcolor="#462300"> <p align="center"><font color="#00FF00" size="4"><b>Design #2 shown in 20oz Copper</b></font></p> </td> </tr> <tr> <td><p align="justify"><b> <a target="_self" href="../cw/sf.htm"> <img src="../cw/tn/scupper11.jpg" border="3" hspace="20" width="300" height="348" align="right"></a>This leader head to the right is from design #2 for a local client in Salem Oregon (6-04). This one shown was a set of 2 leader heads made for 3"x 4" copper downspouts.  The cost of this of scupper was $350 installed.  We were also contracted to polished and add a clear enamel top coat to keep it looking like this, for an extra $100 each.</b><p align="justify"><b>Click on the image to see the step-by-step fabrication of this scupper </b></p> <p align="justify"><b>The photo below shows the one piece top section of design #2, with a gutter section it's sister was made from.</b></td> </tr> <tr> <td align="center"><b><a href="../cw/sf.htm"> <img src="../cw/tn/scupper06.jpg" border="3" hspace="0" width="550" height="315"></a></b></td> </tr> </table> </div> <p align="center"> </p> <p align="center"> </p> <div align="center"> <table border="5" width="750" cellpadding="10" bgcolor="#A5DFFE" background="../cw/tn/clouds.jpg"> <tr> <td colspan="2" align="center" bgcolor="#462300"> <p align="center"><font color="#00FF00" size="4"><b>Design #4 shown in 20oz Copper</b></font></p> </td> </tr> <tr> <td align="center"><b><a href="../cw/im/Advanced01.jpg"> <img src="../cw/tn/Advanced01.jpg" border="3" hspace="0" width="300" height="344"></a></b></td> <td align="center"><b><a href="../cw/im/Advanced04.jpg"> <img src="../cw/tn/Advanced04.jpg" border="3" hspace="0" width="300" height="262"></a></b></td> </tr> <tr> <td align="center" colspan="2"> <p align="justify"><b>This was made for <span class="EUDORAHEADER">Robert L Alspaw of </span>Advanced Gutter Systems for their client in Sacramento, California. Their wholesale cost was $325 + $40 for the stainless steel hardware we added to it to support the 2 story raincups, as shown in the last couple pictures in this section.</b></td> </tr> <tr> <td align="center"><b><a href="../cw/im/Advanced03.jpg"> <img src="../cw/tn/Advanced03.jpg" border="3" hspace="0" width="300" height="194"></a></b><p> <b><a href="../cw/im/Advanced05.jpg"> <img src="../cw/tn/Advanced05.jpg" border="3" hspace="20"></a></b></td> <td align="center"><b> <a href="../cw/im/Advanced06.jpg"> <img src="../cw/tn/Advanced06.jpg" border="3" hspace="0" width="300" height="510"></a></b></td> </tr> <tr> <td align="center"><b><a href="../cw/im/Advanced10.jpg"> <img src="../cw/tn/Advanced10.jpg" border="3" hspace="0" width="300" height="399"></a></b></td> <td align="center"><b> <a href="../cw/im/Advanced09.jpg"> <img src="../cw/tn/Advanced09.jpg" border="3" hspace="0" width="300" height="399"></a></b></td> </tr> </table> </div> <p align="center"> </p> <p align="center"><b>.</b></p> <p align="center"><b><font color="#8AC5FF">..</font></b></p> <div align="center"> <center> <table border="5" width="750" cellspacing="4" cellpadding="10" bgcolor="#A5DFFE" background="../cw/tn/clouds.jpg"> <tr> <td width="100%" align="center" colspan="2" bgcolor="#462300"><b> <font size="4" color="#00FF00">A few <a name="other">other</a> scuppers we worked with, but did not make</font></b></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="35%" align="center"><p align="center"><b><font size="4">A small 9" wide scupper</font></b></p> <b> <font size="4"> <a href="http://dmr-gutters.com/cg/im/Yocum32.jpg"> <img border="3" src="http://dmr-gutters.com/cg/tn/Yocum32.jpg" width="300" height="339"></a></font></b><p> <font color="#A5DFFE" size="1">.</font></p> <p> <em style="font-style: normal"><strong> <font color="#00FFCC"><a href="../cw/im/OldScupper10.jpg"> <img border="3" src="../cw/tn/OldScupper10.jpg" width="300" height="222" hspace="5" vspace="10"></a></font></strong></em></td> <td width="65%" align="center"> <p align="center"><b><font size="4">A larger 18" wide scupper</font></b></p> <b> <font size="4"> <a href="http://dmr-gutters.com/cg/im/Yocum29.jpg"> <img border="3" src="http://dmr-gutters.com/cg/tn/Yocum29.jpg" width="300" height="898"></a></font></b></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="35%" align="center"> <em style="font-style: normal"><strong> <font color="#00FFCC"><a href="../cw/im/OldScupper6.jpg"> <img border="3" src="../cw/tn/OldScupper6.jpg" width="300" height="450" hspace="5" vspace="10"></a></font></strong></em></td> <td width="65%" align="center"> <div align="center"> <center> <table border="1" width="100%" cellpadding="10"> <tr> <td width="100%" background="../rc/tn/clouds.jpg" bgcolor="#5FBEF1"> <p align="justify"><b>These scupper were soldered together the old fashion way.  This use to be the best way to seal copper, because they did not have the kind of advanced caulks we have today. The old copper scupper below was made of a paper thin easy to work with copper sheet-metal.  It was a little dented up along the top rim, but no evidence of a major impact that caused the solder joints to crack apart. Also wear from rain and debris it had actually worn holes clear through the side walls of this thin copper used to make it.</b></p> <p align="justify"><b>Because of this evidence; we installed the large scupper above with a simple copper funnel insert inside as a liner, to funnel the water smoothly into the outlet in the bottom without wearing the thin side walls of the new scupper the client had sent away for. </b> </p> </td> </tr> </table> </center> </div> </td> </tr> <tr> <td width="35%" align="center"> <em style="font-style: normal"><strong> <font color="#00FFCC"><a href="../cw/im/OldScupper1.jpg"> <img border="3" src="../cw/tn/OldScupper1.jpg" width="300" height="291" hspace="5" vspace="10"></a></font></strong></em></td> <td width="65%" align="center"> <em style="font-style: normal"><strong> <font color="#00FFCC"><a href="../cw/im/OldScupper5.jpg"> <img border="3" src="../cw/tn/OldScupper5.jpg" width="300" height="300" hspace="5" vspace="10"></a></font></strong></em></td> </tr> </table> </center> </div> <p align="center"><b><font color="#8AC5FF">.</font></b></p> <p align="center"><b><font color="#8AC5FF">.</font></b></p> <div align="center"> <center> <table border="5" width="95%" cellspacing="4" cellpadding="10" bgcolor="#A5DFFE" background="../cw/tn/clouds.jpg"> <tr> <td width="100%" align="left" valign="top" colspan="2" bgcolor="#462300"> <p align="center"><font color="#00FF00" size="4"><b><a name="Simple">Simple</a> Scuppers We Made in Aluminum</b></font></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="62%" align="left" valign="top"><p align="justify"><b>This is a custom aluminum catcher basin to catch the rain water from a narrow valley.  It was made from a short straight gutter, with each end mitered, instead of just slapping on a pair of end-caps.  We flattened the back side to make the bottom a bit wider and made a new higher back side.  It has a 3.5" x 4.5" funnel mounted in the bottom as the outlet, reducing into a standard size downspout.  There is a double 'A' offset elbow right under it to divert the rain water back to the downspout on the siding.</b></td> <td width="38%" align="center"><b><a href="../cw/im/scupper24.jpg"> <img src="../cw/tn/scupper24.jpg" border="5" width="299" height="232"></a></b></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="62%"> <p align="justify"><b>We didn't need to go to this trouble, but it just makes it look a little nicer, without going to too much trouble like the scuppers shown above.</b></p> <p align="center"><b><a href="../cw/im/scupper25.jpg"> <img src="../cw/tn/scupper25.jpg" border="5" width="300" height="308"></a></b></td> <td width="38%" align="center"><b><a href="../cw/im/scupper26.jpg"> <img src="../cw/tn/scupper26.jpg" border="5" width="166" height="414"></a></b></td> </tr> </table> </center> </div> <p align="center"><b><font color="#8AC5FF">.</font></b></p> <div align="center"> <center> <table border="5" width="750" cellspacing="4" cellpadding="10" bgcolor="#A5DFFE" background="../cw/tn/clouds.jpg"> <tr> <td width="100%" colspan="2"><p align="justify"><b>This is a custom aluminum catcher basin to catch the rain water from a different kind of narrow valley.  It was made from a straight 3' gutter.  Again, with each end mitered, instead of just slapping on a pair of end-caps.  It has a 3.5" x 4.5" funnel mounted in the bottom as the outlet, reducing into a standard size downspout going straight down the corner of the house.</b></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="50%"> <p align="center"><b><a href="../cw/im/scupper29.jpg"> <img src="../cw/tn/scupper29.jpg" border="5" width="299" height="249"></a></b></td> <td width="50%" align="center"><b><a href="../cw/im/scupper30.jpg"> <img src="../cw/tn/scupper30.jpg" border="5" width="299" height="250"></a></b></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"> <p align="justify"> <b>The cost for this was calculated from the basic cost of the gutter needed to make this: $11, + the cost of mitering 3 corners: $90, + installing this funnel in the bottom: $40 = $141 total</b></td> </tr> </table> </center> </div> <p align="center"><b><font color="#8AC5FF">.</font></b></p> <div align="center"> <center> <table border="5" cellspacing="4" cellpadding="10" width="750" bgcolor="#A5DFFE" background="../cw/tn/clouds.jpg"> <tr> <td width="239" align="center"><p align="left"><b> <a href="http://dmr-gutters.com/cg/im/NoClog.jpg"><img src="http://dmr-gutters.com/cg/tn/NoClog.jpg" border="5" width="223" height="200"></a></b></td> <td align="right"> <p align="justify"><b>This was the finished product from the wishes of a customer in West Linn Oregon.  He wanted to have the gutter split in half, and dump into a basin of some sort.  Knowing it would look terrible, and we would have no place to attach the basin to, we came up with this one piece unit that is also part of the gutter it's self.  We covered the top of the basin with a screening to keep the critters out, but we wanted to leave it accessible in case it needed cleaning.   It then goes into a large 3"x 4" downspout pipe, which is twice the size of a normal downspout.</b></p> <p align="left"><b>The extra cost was around <font color="#003300">$450</font></b></p> </td> </tr> </table> </center> </div> <p align="center"><b><font color="#8AC5FF">.</font></b></p> <div align="center"> <center> <table border="5" cellspacing="4" width="750" cellpadding="10" bgcolor="#A5DFFE" background="../cw/tn/clouds.jpg"> <tr> <td align="center"><b><a href="http://dmr-gutters.com/cg/im/customDSq.jpg"><img border="3" src="http://dmr-gutters.com/cg/tn/customDSq.jpg" align="center" width="500" height="205"></a></b></td> </tr> <tr> <td align="center"><p align="justify"><b><a href="http://dmr-gutters.com/cg/im/customDSh.jpg"><img border="3" src="http://dmr-gutters.com/cg/tn/customDSh.jpg" hspace="10" align="right" width="300" height="217"></a>This was the finished custom product for the downspout feature for a gutter over the back deck on a house in South West Portland Oregon.  As you can see from the glass sliding doorways how the gutter on the back deck was so low, it was just higher than a tall persons head.  We came up with this one piece unit to keep the down spout up as high as possible, since the headroom clearance was at a minimum.  We had to design it open at the top, since there is so little slope to it.  It then goes into a custom 3.5"x 4.5" downspout reducer that funnels into a standard 2" x 3" downspout.  the picture below shows just one side of the gutter over lapping into the custom tray.</b><p align="justify"><b>We charged about $150 extra for this custom scuppers, instead of normal downspouts.</b></td> </tr> <tr> <td align="center" valign="middle"><b><a href="http://dmr-gutters.com/cg/im/customDSm.jpg"><img border="3" src="http://dmr-gutters.com/cg/tn/customDSm.jpg" hspace="10" width="260" height="250"></a><a href="http://dmr-gutters.com/cg/im/customDSr.jpg"><img border="3" src="http://dmr-gutters.com/cg/tn/customDSr.jpg" hspace="10" vspace="10" width="250" height="239"></a> </b> </td> </tr> <tr> <td align="center" valign="middle"> <b><a href="http://dmr-gutters.com/cg/im/customDSl.jpg"><img border="3" src="http://dmr-gutters.com/cg/tn/customDSl.jpg" hspace="10" vspace="10" width="360" height="238"></a></b></td> </tr> </table> </center> </div> <p align="center"><b><font color="#8AC5FF">..</font></b></p> <div align="center"> <center> <table border="10" width="750" cellspacing="4" cellpadding="10" bgcolor="#A5DFFE" background="../cw/tn/clouds.jpg"> <tr> <td width="68%" align="center"><p align="justify"><b>This is a custom aluminum scupper we fabricated for a customer who has an unusual situation for a drain on a flat roof.  We took the rusted steel sample he brought to me to build this from.  It had some very special angles to it as you can see.</b><p align="justify"><b>There is a blue square 5 gallon bucket just behind it to show some dimensions to this scupper.  The old rusty scupper is sitting on the blue bucket.</b><p align="justify"><b>Here it is from a different angle.  You can see the rust on the old scupper</b><p align="justify"> <b><a href="../cw/im/scupper28.jpg"> <img border="5" src="../cw/tn/scupper28.jpg"></a><a href="../cw/im/scupper27.jpg"><img border="5" src="../cw/tn/scupper27.jpg" hspace="10"></a></b></td> </tr> </table> </center> </div> <p align="center"><b><font color="#8AC5FF">..</font></b></p> <div align="center"> <table border="5" width="95%" cellspacing="4" cellpadding="10" bgcolor="#A5DFFE" background="../cw/tn/clouds.jpg"> <tr> <td width="100%" align="left" valign="top" colspan="2" bgcolor="#462300"> <p align="center"><font size="4" color="#00FF00"><b>Decorative <a name="leaderheads">leaderheads</a> we sell made in a thinner copper</b></font></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="62%" align="left" valign="top"><p align="justify"><b>Here are some very nice looking classic style copper leaderheads that are made in foreign lands by slave labor craftspersons made with a thin copper sheet metal and soldered together, but they are a good deal cheaper than anything we could recreate. So if you are on a tight budget and need them sooner than our lead-time; here are some cheaper options to choose from that range from $200 to $300 each with shipping charges included. Contact us for specific current costs.  </b></td> <td width="38%" align="center"><b><a href="../cw/im/Leaderheads2.jpg"> <img src="../cw/tn/Leaderheads2.jpg" border="5" width="300" height="246"></a></b></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="62%"> <p align="center"><b><a href="../cw/im/Leaderheads4.jpg"> <img src="../cw/tn/Leaderheads4.jpg" border="5" width="300" height="334"></a></b><p align="center"> <b><a href="../cw/im/Leaderheads1.jpg"> <img src="../cw/tn/Leaderheads1.jpg" border="5"></a></b></td> <td width="38%" align="center"><b><a href="../cw/im/Leaderheads5.jpg"> <img src="../cw/tn/Leaderheads5.jpg" border="5" width="300" height="396"></a></b><p> <b><a href="../cw/im/Leaderheads3.jpg"> <img src="../cw/tn/Leaderheads3.jpg" border="5" width="300" height="368"></a></b></p> <p><b><a href="../cw/im/Leaderheads6.jpg"> <img src="../cw/tn/Leaderheads6.jpg" border="5" width="300" height="387"></a></b></td> </tr> </table> </div> <p align="center"><font color="#8AC5FF"><b>.</b></font></p> <div align="center"> <table border="3" cellspacing="4" cellpadding="10" width="750" background="http://dmr-gutters.com/tn/blue.gif" bgcolor="#A5DFFE"> <tr> <td align="center"> <b><font size="4">Different Downspout Options</font></b></td> </tr> <tr> <td align="center"> <b> <a href="http://dmr-gutters.com/ds.htm"> <img border="3" src="http://dmr-gutters.com/tn/rainchain5.jpg" width="136" height="600" align="right"></a></b><p> <b> To see and read more about the different downspout configurations just click on the pictures here.</b></p> <p> <b> <a href="http://dmr-gutters.com/opt.htm#catchers"> <img src="http://dmr-gutters.com/tn/CopperLC1.jpg" border="5" align="left" hspace="20" width="300" height="724"></a><a href="http://dmr-gutters.com/ds.htm"><img border="3" src="http://dmr-gutters.com/cg/tn/Howard2.jpg" hspace="20" width="150" height="445"></a></b></td> </tr> </table> </div> <p align="center"> </p> <p align="center"><b><font color="#8AC5FF">]</font></b></p> <div align="center"> <table border="5" width="95%" background="../rc/tn/brick.jpg" cellpadding="5"> <tr> <td width="100%" background="../rc/tn/alum.gif" bgcolor="#800080"> <p align="center"><strong><em><font color="#00FFFF"><a name="Order"> <font size="5">Order</font></a><font size="5">ing Details</font></font></em></strong><b><font size="5"> </font></b> </td> </tr> <tr> <td width="100%"> <p align="justify"><strong><u><font color="#800080"> <font face="Comic Sans MS" size="4"><a name="Lead">Lead</a> Time</font><br> </font> </u></strong><b><font color="#000080">W</font>e strive to check for e-mail at least a couple times each day, and respond to those e-mail within 24 hours. S<font color="#000080">o that process should go as swiftly as possible.  We do have a toll free phone# listed on our <a target="_top" href="../fs/cont.htm"> <font color="#0000FF">Contact web page</font></a>, but most often this does not help, as I am busy in the shop and not sitting at my computer when people seem to call, and I am not nearly as able to assist you in working out the details and provide you with a quote. That process often takes several hours to do the calculations if I have the right measurements, diagrams, and clear photos from you to work with.</font></b></p> <p align="left"><b><font color="#000080">In recent past we were not terribly booked out, but this Internet exposure has gotten us a lot of attention and we are likely to be booked out several months with projects before we could begin the actual fabrication of your project, after we had locked down all the details and received your deposit. So be prepare to hear we will not be able to deliver your custom project in short order. We currently have no employees to speed up production, so it is simply on a first come - first serve basis. We insist on a half down deposit, so that you are locked in and cannot be shuffled over by a more lucrative offer.</font></b></p> <p align="left"><b>W<font color="#000080">e have no control of the shipping time, other than to charge you a lot more for 2 day, or over night shipment, which can cost more than the custom copper fabrication.  Most of these ground shipments have not been taking more than a week, so it hardly seems worth the cost of moving such large projects a few days sooner. We have rarely had had a client who was willing to pay that much for Express Shipping.</font></b></p> <p align="left"><b><font color="#000080">You can get a better idea of what our current work schedule is by going to our <a href="http://copper-by-design.com/news.htm"><font color="#0000FF">Latest News</font></a> page to find out our most current lead time listed.</font></b></p> <p align="justify"><b>If you are in a hurry; to expedite this process, some clients have sent in a $200 deposit even before we were able to work out all the details, so that they would be scheduled next on our list of projects.  If you decided to do this, we will refund 50% of that deposit if for any reason you changed your mind and did not contract with us to do work for you. We do still require the rest of the agreed payment of the item(s) before we begin fabrication, unless other arrangements were made.  Click here for our <font color="#000080"> <a target="_top" href="../fs/cont.htm"><font color="#0000FF">contact and payment info</font></a>.</font></b></p> <font FACE="CopperPlate" SIZE="5" COLOR="#003300"> <p align="justify"></font><strong> <font FACE="CopperPlate" COLOR="#003300"> Again, if this will not wait for the postal lag time, and or you need to make the payment with a credit card, we hear that it can be done smoothly through</font><font FACE="CopperPlate" COLOR="#000000"> <a href="http://www.westernunion.com/index_consumer.asp?country=US&language=en&MID=2044&siteID=yxsCueILd0w-9S6vuv2oHHQM/xs0Oy7BCQ"> <font color="#0000FF">Western Union</font></a> </font> <font FACE="CopperPlate" COLOR="#003300"> web site, or call: </font></strong> <font FACE="CopperPlate" COLOR="#000000"> <b> <span class="paragraph"><font color="#800000">1-800-CALL-CASH</font></span></b><strong><font color="#00FF00"> </font></strong> </font><strong><font color="#003300" FACE="CopperPlate"> to expedite matters.  We heard they do not accept American Express. We also have a Paypal link on our Contact web page, but that is not any quicker than mailing a letter with a check in it, and we will not get charged 5% for using Paypal, so just mailing a check is our preference.</font></strong><p align="justify"> <b><font color="#000080">We have no control over the shipping time, other than having you pay extra for 2nd day, or over night Express delivery.  We normally ship with </font> <font color="#800000"><a href="http://www.fedex.com/us/"> <font color="#0000FF">FedEx Ground</font></a></font><font color="#000080"> unless clearly specified other wise.  Most of these ground shipments have been taking less than a week to reach the other side of the country.</font></b></p> </td> </tr> <tr> <td width="100%"> <p align="justify"> <strong><u><font color="#800080"><font face="Comic Sans MS" size="4"> <a name="Prices">Prices</a></font><br> </font> </u></strong><b><font color="#000080">Prices vary to fit your needs for custom fabricated items, but our prices have been known to be quite reasonable.</font>  <font color="#000080">A rough idea of the cost is between </font><font color="#003300">$35</font><font color="#000080"> to </font><font color="#003300">$75</font><font color="#000080"> per square foot of </font><font color="#663300">copper sheet metal</font><font color="#000080"> needed to fabricate your project, so that can vary a great deal.  It depends on the complexity and size of your project.  This includes the cost of p&h.  See above for instructions on how you can easily make a sample cap to better visualize what you want the cap to look like, and more importantly the size.  We try to stay more within the lower end of the cost scale, as to not price ourselves out of the market.  Size can be a key factor here, as FedEx will levy a $50 over-size fee on top of the shipping charges for any package that is more than about 21" cubed. If it is more than about 33" cubed it has to go truck freight and can cost 3 times as much to ship. </font></b></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="100%"> <p align="justify"> <strong><u><font color="#800080"><font face="Comic Sans MS" size="4"> <a name="Minimum">Minimum</a> Order</font><br> </font></u></strong><b><font color="#000080">Our minimum order is $200.  This minimum charge does include all shipping and packaging cost.</font></b></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="100%"> <p align="justify"> <strong><u> <font face="Comic Sans MS" color="#800080"><font size="4">Scupper </font> <a name="Sizing"><font size="4">Sizing</font></a><br> </font></u></strong><b>If you are having any trouble visualizing what you need to ask us to fabricate in </b><font color="#663300"><b>copper sheet metal</b></font><b><font color="#00CC99">:<br> </font><font color="#00FFFF">(a) </font> try taping together some cut pieces of cardboard in the shape of a scupper of sorts.  It could even be just different sizes of cardboard boxes.<font color="#00CC99"><br> </font><font color="#00FFFF">(b) </font> set it on the part of the house or building where is goes, to get an idea how it might look. You can then get a much better idea if you want it any larger or smaller, or other details.<font color="#00CC99"><br> </font><font color="#00FFFF">(c) </font> from there you will be better able to tell us what is the dimensions of the scupper(s) you want us to make for you, so we can quickly quote you an exact price.</b></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="100%"> <p align="justify"> <strong><u><font face="Comic Sans MS" color="#800080"><font size="4">Why Only <a name="Copper">Copper</a> Sheet Metal</font><br> </font> </u></strong><b><font color="#000080">The reason we use primarily </font> <font color="#663300"> copper sheet metal</font><font color="#000080">, as opposed to aluminum or stainless steel is:<br> </font><font color="#800080">(a) </font><font color="#663300"> copper sheet metal</font><font color="#000080"> is a metal that is meant to be seen with it's attractive patina effect that darkens the </font><font color="#663300"> copper </font> <font color="#000080"> within a few months exposure to the elements.  Where stainless steel remains a shiny eye sore.<br> </font><font color="#800080">(b)</font><font color="#000080"> </font><font color="#663300">copper</font><font color="#000080"> of course does not need to be painted, resolving any repainting issue.<br> </font><font color="#800080">(c) </font><font color="#663300">copper</font><font color="#000080"> will not mildew like most any painted surface or stainless steel.<br> </font><font color="#800080">(d) </font><font color="#000080"> We will work in stainless steel, but </font><font color="#663300">copper</font><font color="#000080"> cost about the same, so our clients have preferred </font> <font color="#663300">copper</font><font color="#000080">.</font></b></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="100%"> <p align="justify"> <strong><u><font face="Comic Sans MS" color="#800080"><font size="4">Sheet Metal </font> <a name="Thickness"><font size="4">Thickness</font></a><br> </font></u></strong><b><font color="#000080"> Most fabricators only work with </font>12oz or 16oz copper sheet metal<font color="#000080"> to save cost and be a lot easier to cut and bend.  All of our custom work in the last year has been fabricated with the thicker </font> <font color="#663300">20oz solid copper sheet metal</font><font color="#000080">.  It is so rarely used that we did not even know large sheets of 20oz copper were available until 2003.</font>  <font color="#000080"> We feel that since the cost of labor is clearly the largest part of the cost for any custom work like this, why not use the better material that will last and is much more impact resistant?</font></b></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="100%"> <p align="justify"> <strong><u><font face="Comic Sans MS" color="#800080"><font size="4">Volume </font> <a name="Discounts"><font size="4">Discounts</font></a><br> </font> </u></strong><b>Yes, w<font color="#000080">e do give volume discounts.  We will also discounts clients who aid us by carefully reading over these web pages and who quickly and clearly convey their needs to us, in order to minimize the number of e-mails needed to iron these details out.  If you have read this far, you are off to a good start.  Feel free to mention this in your e-mail.</font></b></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="100%"> <strong><u><font face="Comic Sans MS" color="#800080"> <font size="4">References</font><br> </font> </u></strong><b>Go to our <a href="../ref.htm#compliments">referral web page</a> for letters we received about our work practices and the quality of our work.</b></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="100%"> <strong><u><font face="Comic Sans MS" color="#800080"> <font size="4">Other Items</font><br> </font> </u></strong><b><font color="#000080"> <a target="_top" href="http://dmr-gutters.com/opt.htm#catchers">Leaf-catchers</a>, <a target="_top" href="../fs/rc.htm">Copper Roof Caps</a>, and <a target="_top" href="../fs/cc.htm">Chimney Caps</a> are popular item we sell.  See our <a target="_top" href="../fs/ship.htm">shipping web page</a> for details of pricing on other items we commonly ship to non-local clients.</font></b></td> </tr> </center> </table> </div> <p align="center"><b>.</b></p> <p align="center"> <b> <a href="../fs/cont.htm"> <img border="3" src="../tn/quote.jpg" width="350" height="67"></a></b></p> <p align="center"> <b>.</b></p> <div align="center"> <table border="5" width="630" background="../rc/tn/brick.jpg" cellpadding="5"> <tr> <td width="100%" bgcolor="#003300"> <strong><u><font color="#FFFF00"><font face="Comic Sans MS"> Helpful <a name="Roofing">Roofing</a> Information</font><br> </font></u></strong><b><font color="#00CCFF">For some valuable advice with regards to roofing and rain management issues check out our:</font></b><p> <b> <font color="#00CCFF"><font color="#CC99FF">(a) </font> <a target="_top" href="http://dmr-gutters.com/fs/cg.htm">Gutter Installation</a><br> <font color="#CC99FF">(b) </font> <a target="_top" href="http://dmr-gutters.com/fs/lp.htm">Gutter Debris Protection Options</a><br> <font color="#CC99FF">(c) </font> <a target="_top" href="http://dmr-gutters.com/fs/roofs.htm">Roofing Quality Standards</a><br> <font color="#CC99FF">(d) </font> <a target="_top" href="../fs/cf.htm">Chimney Flashing</a></font><br> <font color="#00CCFF"> <font color="#CC99FF">(e) </font> <a href="http://dmr-gutters.com/rf/moss.htm">Moss Control & Treatment</a></font></b></p> <p><b><font color="#00CCFF">web pages for answers and solutions that could save you thousands of $ and a great deal of anguish.</font></b></p> <p align="justify"><b><font color="#00CCFF">If you do find this information very helpful, feel free to send us a $ tip for the assistance we so freely have published on the web here for your benefit, like you might tip a waitress.  Heck, send us a gift certificate for a candle lit dinner for two.</font></b></td> </tr> </table> </div> <p align="center"><b>.</b></p> <div align="center"> <table 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